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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Frankly when someone reaches a certain scale, unless I’m an “original” follower, friend, etc., I’ve never had anyone respond to me, only to their original faithful flock. Therein lies the hypocrisy I think.&lt;/i&gt;

It may be that the &quot;echo chamber&quot; phenomenon much discussed 4 or 5 years ago hasn&#039;t grown much past the original dynamics, except that there are more ways now to gather and reinforce attention .. and for those that are seeking to making a living in this chaotic mumbo-jumbo of every-which-way pulls on attention, those who have it will tend to want to keep it, grow it, renew it, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Frankly when someone reaches a certain scale, unless I’m an “original” follower, friend, etc., I’ve never had anyone respond to me, only to their original faithful flock. Therein lies the hypocrisy I think.</i></p>
<p>It may be that the &#8220;echo chamber&#8221; phenomenon much discussed 4 or 5 years ago hasn&#8217;t grown much past the original dynamics, except that there are more ways now to gather and reinforce attention .. and for those that are seeking to making a living in this chaotic mumbo-jumbo of every-which-way pulls on attention, those who have it will tend to want to keep it, grow it, renew it, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey JR, I think you make a good point about these people and their relevance to newcomers. So how long do you give them before the newcomers put someone relevant to them on a pedestal and push these guys off? I would like to know how big the top of the pedestal is. :)

Thanks for all the comments guys. We didn&#039;t get Scoble to come comment, but Brian and Jeremiah certainly made their presence known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey JR, I think you make a good point about these people and their relevance to newcomers. So how long do you give them before the newcomers put someone relevant to them on a pedestal and push these guys off? I would like to know how big the top of the pedestal is. <img src='http://stardustglobalventures.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for all the comments guys. We didn&#8217;t get Scoble to come comment, but Brian and Jeremiah certainly made their presence known.</p>
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		<title>By: JR Snyder Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR Snyder Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points...I see this as a symptom of anyone in any field when they start to grow and get larger, could be a small business or someone climbing an organizational ladder. The core issue with the social web is really the pretense of engagement, since someone may have reached a scale too large to really fully engage, but pretend they are. Therein liew the rub.

In other words...people accept it more I suppose, begrudgingly perhaps, in other social forums but the social web was built on the idea of engaging with all people, those of &quot;import&quot; or not. Frankly when someone reaches a certain scale, unless I&#039;m an &quot;original&quot; follower, friend, etc., I&#039;ve never had anyone respond to me, only to their original faithful flock. Therein lies the hypocrisy I think.

So these guys you&#039;re referring to, named and otherwise, no longer are relevant to new followers unless the new ones want to hear their spiel and don&#039;t expect a response in return. I no longer follow the people you mention and many others because I know I&#039;m just a number to them now. Jim Long is the only person I can think of who has responded to me recently and it was on a relatively common issue and he certainly doesn&#039;t follow me back. I accept that with him but he&#039;s an exception to my rule of dropping &quot;big names&quot; (who don&#039;t follow me back) to follow/friend.

In summary, I think you have the right analogy of speeding down a ski slope. These folks don&#039;t see what&#039;s happening due to the trees whipping by so fast. A conscious decision should be made early in their engagement to avoid collision, no matter which path they take...in my mind:

&quot;Far better to be a big fish in a small pond than a little fish in a big pond.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points&#8230;I see this as a symptom of anyone in any field when they start to grow and get larger, could be a small business or someone climbing an organizational ladder. The core issue with the social web is really the pretense of engagement, since someone may have reached a scale too large to really fully engage, but pretend they are. Therein liew the rub.</p>
<p>In other words&#8230;people accept it more I suppose, begrudgingly perhaps, in other social forums but the social web was built on the idea of engaging with all people, those of &#8220;import&#8221; or not. Frankly when someone reaches a certain scale, unless I&#8217;m an &#8220;original&#8221; follower, friend, etc., I&#8217;ve never had anyone respond to me, only to their original faithful flock. Therein lies the hypocrisy I think.</p>
<p>So these guys you&#8217;re referring to, named and otherwise, no longer are relevant to new followers unless the new ones want to hear their spiel and don&#8217;t expect a response in return. I no longer follow the people you mention and many others because I know I&#8217;m just a number to them now. Jim Long is the only person I can think of who has responded to me recently and it was on a relatively common issue and he certainly doesn&#8217;t follow me back. I accept that with him but he&#8217;s an exception to my rule of dropping &#8220;big names&#8221; (who don&#8217;t follow me back) to follow/friend.</p>
<p>In summary, I think you have the right analogy of speeding down a ski slope. These folks don&#8217;t see what&#8217;s happening due to the trees whipping by so fast. A conscious decision should be made early in their engagement to avoid collision, no matter which path they take&#8230;in my mind:</p>
<p>&#8220;Far better to be a big fish in a small pond than a little fish in a big pond.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler, thank you so much for taking time to comment here. 

I didn&#039;t post analytics because I&#039;m no analyst. I am making observations as I move through the technical/social world, if on the borders. These are my observations, my experiences and my suppositions. I couple that with real life communication with a variety of people at various levels of the spectrum. 

Posting this certainly created dialog, and that&#039;s worth something I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler, thank you so much for taking time to comment here. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t post analytics because I&#8217;m no analyst. I am making observations as I move through the technical/social world, if on the borders. These are my observations, my experiences and my suppositions. I couple that with real life communication with a variety of people at various levels of the spectrum. </p>
<p>Posting this certainly created dialog, and that&#8217;s worth something I believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah, I am curious about something. At some point don&#039;t you have to determine what your value is to those around you? If your relationship is shallow, isn&#039;t your value then compromised?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah, I am curious about something. At some point don&#8217;t you have to determine what your value is to those around you? If your relationship is shallow, isn&#8217;t your value then compromised?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, I appreciate your comments. I know I&#039;m not alone with this struggle.I&#039;m not sure what I expected with this, certainly was surprised to get comments back from both Brian and Jeremiah. If I thought about it, Robert is who would have commented in my mind, if only because he and I have a lot more communication in our history. 

The slippery slope of notoriety. Still, they did comment and acknowledge the struggle, so for that I am grateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I appreciate your comments. I know I&#8217;m not alone with this struggle.I&#8217;m not sure what I expected with this, certainly was surprised to get comments back from both Brian and Jeremiah. If I thought about it, Robert is who would have commented in my mind, if only because he and I have a lot more communication in our history. </p>
<p>The slippery slope of notoriety. Still, they did comment and acknowledge the struggle, so for that I am grateful.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the same boat as Sheryl. I&#039;ve met Robert a half-dozen times over the past half-decade .. at Web 2.0 conferences and workshops in California, in Washington State, here in Vancouver, in London, in Paris, and in Copenhagen.  And I am willing to bet that if I walked up to him now without a name badge on, he&#039;d have no idea who I was and could not put a name to the face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the same boat as Sheryl. I&#8217;ve met Robert a half-dozen times over the past half-decade .. at Web 2.0 conferences and workshops in California, in Washington State, here in Vancouver, in London, in Paris, and in Copenhagen.  And I am willing to bet that if I walked up to him now without a name badge on, he&#8217;d have no idea who I was and could not put a name to the face.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Experts to the left of us, experts to the right of us, and rarely shall they deign to greet ... the rest of us&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Experts to the left of us, experts to the right of us, and rarely shall they deign to greet &#8230; the rest of us&#8221;</i></p>
<p> <img src='http://stardustglobalventures.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah Owyang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah Owyang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting dialog, thanks for highlighting it.  

I saw this light up in my alerts yesterday, but was generally unable to respond in a thoughtful way (as I had the day off), so excuse me while I&#039;m a bit slower than Brian Solis jumping into the conversation.

I&#039;ll be very honest.  Your assessment is true,  many of the top bloggers in any sector start to look like mainstream media.  Instead of having a few deep relationships as they once did, they have a broad set of shallow relationships.  

I&#039;ve written about this here, &quot;Looking Behind the Curtains on the Social Media Stage: Humans Don’t Scale&quot; --I think we agree.

http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2009/06/13/looking-behind-the-curtains-at-the-social-media-stage-humans-dont-scale/

On a side note, I refrain from two many individual conversations that don&#039;t pertain to others (i&#039;m trying to respect the time of others) and shift conversations when I can to DM, email or sometimes phone.    Take for example my Twitter account, I&#039;ve done 17k tweets, but have 10k DMs --this means I cascade the conversation closer, and much more private.  

Here&#039;s how I use Twitter, in which I&#039;m attempting to think of others first.
http://tinyurl.com/24lv65</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting dialog, thanks for highlighting it.  </p>
<p>I saw this light up in my alerts yesterday, but was generally unable to respond in a thoughtful way (as I had the day off), so excuse me while I&#8217;m a bit slower than Brian Solis jumping into the conversation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be very honest.  Your assessment is true,  many of the top bloggers in any sector start to look like mainstream media.  Instead of having a few deep relationships as they once did, they have a broad set of shallow relationships.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written about this here, &#8220;Looking Behind the Curtains on the Social Media Stage: Humans Don’t Scale&#8221; &#8211;I think we agree.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2009/06/13/looking-behind-the-curtains-at-the-social-media-stage-humans-dont-scale/" rel="nofollow">http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2009/06/13/looking-behind-the-curtains-at-the-social-media-stage-humans-dont-scale/</a></p>
<p>On a side note, I refrain from two many individual conversations that don&#8217;t pertain to others (i&#8217;m trying to respect the time of others) and shift conversations when I can to DM, email or sometimes phone.    Take for example my Twitter account, I&#8217;ve done 17k tweets, but have 10k DMs &#8211;this means I cascade the conversation closer, and much more private.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how I use Twitter, in which I&#8217;m attempting to think of others first.<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/24lv65" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/24lv65</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ken Camp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Camp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler,

I&#039;m mobile on Blackberry at the moment, but to one point Sheryl&#039;s cell number is posted here and on every site we use. Mine too. I publisjed mine like that before Robert was so big - in 2000. Just check any page on this blog. 

More later when we aren&#039;t mobile. Or on Twitter @kencamp and @SherylBreuker.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m mobile on Blackberry at the moment, but to one point Sheryl&#8217;s cell number is posted here and on every site we use. Mine too. I publisjed mine like that before Robert was so big &#8211; in 2000. Just check any page on this blog. </p>
<p>More later when we aren&#8217;t mobile. Or on Twitter @kencamp and @SherylBreuker.  <img src='http://stardustglobalventures.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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