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		<title>By: Jon Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that its very tough to quantify and measure the ROI of social media.  Indeed it is.

That said, QOE - quality of engagement - only matters to the extent that it is producing value... more value than its costing... some would call this ROI.

Return On Investment is always the name of the game for business - even when you can&#039;t measure it.  Just look at PR - that&#039;s been the mantra of PR people for years.  Even though I can&#039;t measure 1 specific PR campaign very accurately, or even the whole darn continued campaign... I can get a much softer feel of whether or not its effective, and whether or not its worth the time spent.

QOE is nothing if its not producing a positive ROI.  Just b/c that number is hard to calculate, doesn&#039;t mean &quot;more return than cost&quot; is still not the primary objective.  So long as a business&#039; goal is to generate a profit than ROI is a key marketing metric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that its very tough to quantify and measure the ROI of social media.  Indeed it is.</p>
<p>That said, QOE &#8211; quality of engagement &#8211; only matters to the extent that it is producing value&#8230; more value than its costing&#8230; some would call this ROI.</p>
<p>Return On Investment is always the name of the game for business &#8211; even when you can&#8217;t measure it.  Just look at PR &#8211; that&#8217;s been the mantra of PR people for years.  Even though I can&#8217;t measure 1 specific PR campaign very accurately, or even the whole darn continued campaign&#8230; I can get a much softer feel of whether or not its effective, and whether or not its worth the time spent.</p>
<p>QOE is nothing if its not producing a positive ROI.  Just b/c that number is hard to calculate, doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;more return than cost&#8221; is still not the primary objective.  So long as a business&#8217; goal is to generate a profit than ROI is a key marketing metric.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Uttley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Uttley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very insightful article. I agree in principle with your arguments for QOE vs. ROI. The dilemma is, particularly on the corporate side, that managers and specifically c-level executives want to know what they are &quot;getting&quot; in return for the time (and thus expense) invested in social media marketing efforts. Unfortunately, for now we do have to put some tangible metrics in place to demonstrate the &quot;value&quot; of social media. I truly look forward to more advanced methods of measuring QOE/ROE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful article. I agree in principle with your arguments for QOE vs. ROI. The dilemma is, particularly on the corporate side, that managers and specifically c-level executives want to know what they are &#8220;getting&#8221; in return for the time (and thus expense) invested in social media marketing efforts. Unfortunately, for now we do have to put some tangible metrics in place to demonstrate the &#8220;value&#8221; of social media. I truly look forward to more advanced methods of measuring QOE/ROE.</p>
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		<title>By: Martijn Linssen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martijn Linssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Ken, inspiring!

With social media nearly everyone in the world is indeed just a click away. The threshold is gone, it&#039;s all free, real-time, and one could easily make 20 new acquaintances a day across the globe

Compare that to exchanging letters with your penpal across the ocean...

Social media obliterate frontiers, extend your horizon, and increase mutual understanding. You can reach out, but also be reached. You can single out contacts and get in deep or superficial, anything goes

But, in my opinion the very -very- best part is that you&#039;ll also be able to follow those that inspire the ones that inspire you. You might actually inspire the person who inspires you, by inspiring someone else

It&#039;s all about giving and getting at the same time. If someone unfollows you or you unfollow someone else, there&#039;s no harm done. It&#039;s not like deciding not wanting to talk to your neighbour anymore, which kind of complicates everyday life

It&#039;s not only about QoE, it&#039;s also about Quality of Relationships - we are actually getting better at dialogues, interaction and relationships because of social media</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Ken, inspiring!</p>
<p>With social media nearly everyone in the world is indeed just a click away. The threshold is gone, it&#8217;s all free, real-time, and one could easily make 20 new acquaintances a day across the globe</p>
<p>Compare that to exchanging letters with your penpal across the ocean&#8230;</p>
<p>Social media obliterate frontiers, extend your horizon, and increase mutual understanding. You can reach out, but also be reached. You can single out contacts and get in deep or superficial, anything goes</p>
<p>But, in my opinion the very -very- best part is that you&#8217;ll also be able to follow those that inspire the ones that inspire you. You might actually inspire the person who inspires you, by inspiring someone else</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about giving and getting at the same time. If someone unfollows you or you unfollow someone else, there&#8217;s no harm done. It&#8217;s not like deciding not wanting to talk to your neighbour anymore, which kind of complicates everyday life</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not only about QoE, it&#8217;s also about Quality of Relationships &#8211; we are actually getting better at dialogues, interaction and relationships because of social media</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Gruia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Gruia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ken and thank you for your kind words.  This was really a thought provoking piece and I liked your application of Metcalfe&#039;s Law (if the usefulness of a telecom network is proportional to the square of its users, then the same should by extension apply to a social network application running on top of that network ;-).  Albeit it is a very different Ethernet network than the one that Robert Metcalfe used back in 1980 when he came up with this thought, just after leaving PARC to found 3Com.  

Measuring the Quality of Engagement is in itself an exercise that should enhance the quality of your engagement with your readers - I have a few thoughts of my own here, but the idea is to start simple, noticing some patterns of repeat visits to a site, posts, etc. and then gradually work your way to more tangible results.  Different people would attach different value to distinct types of engagement (some more pragmatic business types would try to tie in some dollar figure associated with those interactions, while others would look at the bigger picture and try to associate new relationships that come as a result of that interaction, or new knowledge via a shared article, PPT slide deck, etc.).  I am in the latter group but there could be other possibilities as well - let&#039;s try to leave this canvas for now and see what other colors other readers might add to it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ken and thank you for your kind words.  This was really a thought provoking piece and I liked your application of Metcalfe&#8217;s Law (if the usefulness of a telecom network is proportional to the square of its users, then the same should by extension apply to a social network application running on top of that network <img src='http://stardustglobalventures.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Albeit it is a very different Ethernet network than the one that Robert Metcalfe used back in 1980 when he came up with this thought, just after leaving PARC to found 3Com.  </p>
<p>Measuring the Quality of Engagement is in itself an exercise that should enhance the quality of your engagement with your readers &#8211; I have a few thoughts of my own here, but the idea is to start simple, noticing some patterns of repeat visits to a site, posts, etc. and then gradually work your way to more tangible results.  Different people would attach different value to distinct types of engagement (some more pragmatic business types would try to tie in some dollar figure associated with those interactions, while others would look at the bigger picture and try to associate new relationships that come as a result of that interaction, or new knowledge via a shared article, PPT slide deck, etc.).  I am in the latter group but there could be other possibilities as well &#8211; let&#8217;s try to leave this canvas for now and see what other colors other readers might add to it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Traupel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Traupel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an insightful post - those of us in Social Media at times have a difficult time &quot;selling&quot; the client on why it&#039;s so valuable and can get lost in metrics; i.e. SEO results, mentions, site traffic, comments, brand awareness, etc. In today&#039;s &quot;REO driven&quot; economy clients want value and ROI at all times! But at the end of the day engagement coupled with brand engagement is so valuable. And, the more we can get the clients involved in the engagement the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an insightful post &#8211; those of us in Social Media at times have a difficult time &#8220;selling&#8221; the client on why it&#8217;s so valuable and can get lost in metrics; i.e. SEO results, mentions, site traffic, comments, brand awareness, etc. In today&#8217;s &#8220;REO driven&#8221; economy clients want value and ROI at all times! But at the end of the day engagement coupled with brand engagement is so valuable. And, the more we can get the clients involved in the engagement the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirky on Upheaval &#124; Stardust Global Ventures</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirky on Upheaval &#124; Stardust Global Ventures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] yesterday I wrote The Value in Social Media Isn’t ROI. QOE = Value, referencing some of the powerful thinking from Clay Shirky and others. This evening, I noted this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] yesterday I wrote The Value in Social Media Isn’t ROI. QOE = Value, referencing some of the powerful thinking from Clay Shirky and others. This evening, I noted this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Colbourne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie Colbourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting and I completely agree - this is what we found when we were looking into post-impression action of a campaign in some research conducted recently. You can no longer just measure a campaign based on click throughs as people will be talking about it in the social media hemisphere and this is what we have called Return on participation / Return on engagement (ROP/ROE)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting and I completely agree &#8211; this is what we found when we were looking into post-impression action of a campaign in some research conducted recently. You can no longer just measure a campaign based on click throughs as people will be talking about it in the social media hemisphere and this is what we have called Return on participation / Return on engagement (ROP/ROE)</p>
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		<title>By: The Value in Social Media Isn’t ROI. QOE = Value &#171; aneas.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Value in Social Media Isn’t ROI. QOE = Value &#171; aneas.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Originally posted here: The Value in Social Media Isn’t ROI. QOE = Value [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my reply from FriendFeed. For those interested, the conversation is going on there as well as here.

http://friendfeed.com/sherylbreuker/64b345c9/value-in-social-media-isn-t-roi-qoe-stardust

This is a conversation I really hope to see people get into. You talk about engagement all the time, but I find most people don&#039;t understand that their focus on measuring some idea of &quot;return&quot; devalues their very presence. In some ways I think it ties back to authenticity. If someone is in social media for ROI, our hackles raise and we recognize their unauthenticity. Conversely we sense genuine engagement and place higher value on those bringing that to the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my reply from FriendFeed. For those interested, the conversation is going on there as well as here.</p>
<p><a href="http://friendfeed.com/sherylbreuker/64b345c9/value-in-social-media-isn-t-roi-qoe-stardust" rel="nofollow">http://friendfeed.com/sherylbreuker/64b345c9/value-in-social-media-isn-t-roi-qoe-stardust</a></p>
<p>This is a conversation I really hope to see people get into. You talk about engagement all the time, but I find most people don&#8217;t understand that their focus on measuring some idea of &#8220;return&#8221; devalues their very presence. In some ways I think it ties back to authenticity. If someone is in social media for ROI, our hackles raise and we recognize their unauthenticity. Conversely we sense genuine engagement and place higher value on those bringing that to the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken makes really great points. Quality of Engagement is far more valuable than old &#039;skool&#039; media experts would like it to be. They would rather continue to broadcast a message. They believe that&#039;s what they should do and after all it worked for 75 years so it&#039;s good as gold to them. I would only say to people with that thought, why then are newspapers dying and tv stations floundering? Because no one wants to be broadcast to anymore. We want interaction and without it, your business doesn&#039;t stand a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken makes really great points. Quality of Engagement is far more valuable than old &#8216;skool&#8217; media experts would like it to be. They would rather continue to broadcast a message. They believe that&#8217;s what they should do and after all it worked for 75 years so it&#8217;s good as gold to them. I would only say to people with that thought, why then are newspapers dying and tv stations floundering? Because no one wants to be broadcast to anymore. We want interaction and without it, your business doesn&#8217;t stand a chance.</p>
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